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[skitlz]

Pretty defensive. I never attacked your method of learning in a VM. It was a simple question. Perhaps there is a sysprep like tool to update the HAL in XPE i didn't know about.

Noone is asking to be spoon fed.

[whumphrey]

Originally Posted by skitlz

Pretty defensive.

I was not trying to be!

Originally Posted by skitlz

Perhaps there is a sysprep like tool to update the HAL in XPE

Simple answer is NO! but if you had played with it you would have noticed how hardware dependent it is..

Originally Posted by skitlz

Noone is asking to be spoon fed.

really? just use google and see how much documentation will point you at Target Analyzer Probe (TAP) and your question would have been answered.

--me

[guybrush]

Originally Posted by whumphrey

Its your call, but all i was suggestion is play with XPe and get it running with centrafuse before sticking it onto physical hardware.

Well, there are some things that can't be tetsted in the VM unfortunateley as I have no GPS receiver or BT dongle connected on the VM...

[MrBean]

Hey Guys,
If you really wanna help the Community out on this one, why don't the more knowledgeable guys componentize Centrafuse?

You can then make it available as a standalone component, and people can import that to any new XPE hardware config of their choice during the build process.

It's some work, but could be done if you have extra time on your hands.

Br,
MrBean

[skitlz]

Originally Posted by whumphrey

really? just use google and see how much documentation will point you at Target Analyzer Probe (TAP) and your question would have been answered.

--me

Spoon feeding would have been if I asked you to build me a XPE image.

As someone with little to no experience with XPE i asked a simple question on a forum designed for questions and information in a thread related to the progress of getting XPE working. Hardly spoon feeding.

[midiwall]

Originally Posted by whumphrey

Simple answer is NO! but if you had played with it you would have noticed how hardware dependent it is..

...

really? just use google and see how much documentation will point you at Target Analyzer Probe (TAP) and your question would have been answered

Umm, is English your first language? I ask because I'm hoping that it's not... You're coming off VERY combative in this thread, like you've got a chip on your shoulder. That can sometimes come from people that are non-English speaking trying to translate from their native tongue into English. I'd rather not think that you're just not a nice guy.


The work you've done to get XPe to work in this environment is impressive. people are just asking for clarification. You've taken the time to write up the process, and to track your progress here, but now that people are asking questions, you're just being a &*^@$.

That's kinda' weird..

fwiw, I don't think many folks here have ever created a VM, much less understand WHAT that is or WHY you would do so. Your tutorial has a lot of info in it in some places, but it's very short on the WHY - and that's how these folks are trying to learn.

No one is capable of reading your mind, so when you think it's clear that there's a step from "I have already told you what you need module wise!" to pulling that list together in XPe, there're a few steps missing for a lot of folks. Your tutorial skips MANY of those steps, and that's what's generating the questions.


Thank you for your time and effort thus far, but for the info to be worthwhile and you to become world renowned, we're gonna need more of it.

[whumphrey]

Originally Posted by midiwall

Umm, is English your first language? I ask because I'm hoping that it's not... You're coming off VERY combative in this thread, like you've got a chip on your shoulder. That can sometimes come from people that are non-English speaking trying to translate from their native tongue into English. I'd rather not think that you're just not a nice guy.

No its not, but that is no excuse! I guess I don't like beating around the bush, I say things like I mean it, sorry if I hurt peoples feelings, but thats me....

Originally Posted by midiwall

The work you've done to get XPe to work in this environment is impressive. people are just asking for clarification. You've taken the time to write up the process, and to track your progress here, but now that people are asking questions, you're just being a &*^@$.

I'm sorry you feel this way, but the people asking the questions haven't done any research and ask questions that have already been answered.

That's kinda' weird..

Originally Posted by midiwall

fwiw, I don't think many folks here have ever created a VM, much less understand WHAT that is or WHY you would do so. Your tutorial has a lot of info in it in some places, but it's very short on the WHY - and that's how these folks are trying to learn.

FWIW = For What its Worth? Well, thats not good I am more than happy to explain why and how if i am asked in an intelligent way (the user has done SOME research, tried it out, and if he cant find the answer then asks) What I don't appreciate is when people that people just expect to be spoon fed.

Originally Posted by midiwall

No one is capable of reading your mind, so when you think it's clear that there's a step from "I have already told you what you need module wise!" to pulling that list together in XPe, there're a few steps missing for a lot of folks. Your tutorial skips MANY of those steps, and that's what's generating the questions.

As explained above i really don't mind answering questions, nor do I mind constructive criticis.

Originally Posted by midiwall

Thank you for your time and effort thus far, but for the info to be worthwhile and you to become world renowned, we're gonna need more of it.

No worries at all keep the feedback coming and let me know where the guide needs better documentation.

--me

[MrBean]

@ Whumphrey: You have forgotten to copy my previous comment in reply 25

[whumphrey]

Originally Posted by skitlz

Spoon feeding would have been if I asked you to build me a XPE image.

No that would be more like illegal warez, which I can guarantee you is not allowed on this forum.....

Originally Posted by skitlz

As someone with little to no experience with XPE i asked a simple question on a forum designed for questions and information in a thread related to the progress of getting XPE working. Hardly spoon feeding.

Well, why don't you do some research first instead of asking questions that have already been answered better than anyone here can answer?

--me

[midiwall]

Originally Posted by whumphrey

No its not, but that is no excuse!

Nope, it's not...

I'm sorry you feel this way, but the people asking the questions haven't done any research and ask questions that have already been answered.

I understand this side and I agree with it as well. But... As an example, someone asked if the next step in the process after verifying on a VM was to recreate for the target hardware - you jumped him pretty hard and that spun into the spoon-feeding rant. The guy asked a straight question, he was basically asking if the XPe image had to be re-genned; it was clear to me that he didn't understand the core process and needed one small line connected.

keep the feedback coming and let me know where the guide needs better documentation.

Well, it depends on what you were looking to accomplish with the docs. Is it a tutorial, an overview, a conceptual bullet list, etc?

If it's a tutorial then it really should be step-by-step through the process explaining the WHY along the way - "WHY are you using a VM?" "WHY XPe?", along with a good dose of WHERE - "WHERE do I get the tools?", "WHERE do I get the core XPe image?", and finally HOW - "HOW do I determine what drivers I need for _MY_ hardware?".

As it stands now, the document spends more time explaining how to create a VM than anything else.

If you don't mean for this to be a tutorial, then declare it as just a high-level overview - in the document itself - and clearly state that it's only meant to be a starting point, _and_ state that you don't really have the time/patience to answer questions. It's okay if you take that line, but as it is now, no one here knows that about you.

The overall effect right now is that you've tossed folks a large bone, asked them to come feed off of it, and are then kicking them in the face when they show you how hungry they are.


Again, I think the sideways perception is because you're translating back and forth between English and your native language, so some of the perceived "attitude" is understood, but at the same time... ya' know?

Thanks for being open to talking about this side of your efforts.


btw, Any chance that you're a skydiver in the UK? I think we have some mutual friends.