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Old February 29th, 2008, 02:20 PM   #11 (permalink)
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How long a package from the USA lasts to Germany?! I would like to order gladly the DSATX. So that I can test also this Plugin. In addition I need more achievement than the M2-ATX create.

MP3Car-Shop: DSATX

Or does it give an alternative Shop in Germany or the USA??
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Ditto....I have just changed from a DSATX to a Carnetix 2140 and having
a psumoni like plugin would be great.

Fantastic work Zerach!
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you can be my tester for carnetix then... I don't have a carnetix 2140 so with that one I'll be programming blind.

Why did you switch from a DSATX? changed your setup to a laptop? Custom Case?
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@ Zerach: I will be a beta-tester too, as I have the 2140 with MacMini used in my project - I will appreciate your consideration

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Is it to be communicated possible over serial interface with the DSATX? Me interests because I gladly to know would like whether a regulation of the "Shutdown" times thereby is possible. Similarly as with the M2-ATX. See here: http://www.car-pc.info/phpBB2/viewto...964&highlight=

((( IN GERMAN: Ist es möglich über serielle Schnittstelle mit dem DSATX zu kommunizieren? Mich interessiert das weil ich gerne wissen möchte ob eine Regelung der "Shutdown"-Zeiten damit möglich ist. Ähnlich wie bei dem M2-ATX. )))
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@Zerach: I found another PSU. CarTFT.com-Shop M4-ATX 250W!! It is available in Germany.
Is it to be used possible this Plugin also for the M4-ATX?? (Features: ..Programmable timing settings via USB..)

Whether it possible is to be changed over these shutdown times in real time?!

Manual M4-ATX

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Do we need a second CPU (or logic) which needs less power than our x86 CPU and managing the powerrequirements our x86 (going into standby instead of shutdown because we are refuelling our car) ?
Sure !

Having an interface (Cf-plugin) showing Volts is a nice tool. Seperating the GetVolt() Function from this plugin into a DLL is nicer. Because we can replace the DLL with the GetVolt() Funtion from the original DS-ATX version to the MxATX Version (which accesses the hardware).

Secondly we need a message box in a seperate (skinnable) Application which pops up with "Standby or Shutdown". A CF lookalike Skin would be nice for us CF users - other Frontends will have to draw their own. If "Standby" is selected the application has to give a command to the powersupply (mxatx or a dsatx) - the powersupply does not need to switchoff after the engine stops. After 30minutes (or so) it should wake up the PC again ,our app is started it detects the timeout of our standby and now it shutsdown the PC.

Thirdly it would be nice to emulate an UPS (if the engine runs switch to windows energyscheme "Desktop" if the engine doesn't run switch to "Laptop" and try to calculate the batterylevel in %)
Have you seen the battery icon in the mainmenu in CF ?!
You see its already there ! and other frontends also have to use the windows energy schemes because this is a standard microsoft windows interface mechanism.


Do you disagree with me ?


The M1ATX+M2ATX does have an µC which is able to get a signal from the PC - but the software (firmware) of the µC is not able to do that (changing hardware is difficult changing software is easy).
The M3ATX+M4ATX may be able to do this stuff without software modification.

I guess the DS-ATX does also have an µC ?

Requirements for powermanagment µC Firmwares:
- Supplies Battery Voltage
- Supplies state of "Terminal 15"
- (Supplies state of "generator charging, engine running")
- changeable from "poweroff after Terminal 15 Off" to "keep alive for x minutes after Terminal 15 Off"



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@Zerach: I found another PSU. CarTFT.com-Shop M4-ATX 250W!! It is available in Germany.
Is it to be used possible this Plugin also for the M4-ATX?? (Features: ..Programmable timing settings via USB..)

Whether it possible is to be changed over these shutdown times in real time?!

Manual M4-ATX
Some people only have their head to protect their neck from infalling rain. I can't state if the M3 (or M4ATX) because the M3ATX violate the ATX standard - so my Commel doesn't work with them - so I can't start the serial tool to see what they can and what they are not able to do (with their current surely stupid firmware).

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Cool, Thanks again for the exact explanation, I mean exact!
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Thanks,

you can be my tester for carnetix then... I don't have a carnetix 2140 so with that one I'll be programming blind.

Why did you switch from a DSATX? changed your setup to a laptop? Custom Case?
Have changed to a HP6120 laptop for the size, ease of setup, integrated bluetooth, wireless, DVD and ability to use the battery for standby, I have it connected to a small docking station and have rewired the modem connector so that I can press a button on the dash to put into\out off standby. I also use ShutControl which senses when the laptop is being powered by battery and I have it set to go into standby after ten minutes.
Strangly enough I am a software test analyst by profession and I would be more than pleased to test. The psumoni is a great aid for setting up/monitoring, but having it as a plugin would be the icing on the cake!
I have not got round to installing it in the car yet ( I have a mini ITX EPIA in the car at present). I have the laptop all setup on a testbed in my study with the 2140,laptop,and new screen connected to a 12v supply.
When you have something ready just let me know....I look forward to it.

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Is that an error? There 3.3V should nevertheless actually fit, or?! When will the Plugin be available?




Custom I only the DSATX or also this adapter?

Brainsteam TTL to RS232 Module

RS232 is better or can I also a USB version of it somewhere order because I have actually no more Com-Port freely.
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Is that an error? There 3.3V should nevertheless actually fit, or?! When will the Plugin be available?




Custom I only the DSATX or also this adapter?

Brainsteam TTL to RS232 Module

RS232 is better or can I also a USB version of it somewhere order because I have actually no more Com-Port freely.
Programmatically there should be no difference. With the BrainSteam RS232 Module (which is the same one I have in my test bed). USB drivers usually create a virtual com port so program code should interact the same way.

The picture is only a working plugin with controls the values themselves are not actual reported values. I will be putting some intelligence in to the plugin shortly. DSATX first Carnetix expansion second and other ideas third priority.

Remember guys I also have a skin editor to develope as well! I'll be sharing this code with everyone and can help with conversion to other languages if people want to take on the porting.
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